Rogan questioned what “enough” meant, and Murray adjusted his question to whether Rogan has interviewed enough people who support Israel and not just “wild critics.”

Rogan listed multiple guests who support Israel, including Gad Sadd, Jordan Peterson, Coleman Hughes, and Mike Baker. However, he said none of these individuals were specifically brought on to discuss the war in Gaza.

“Do you think you’ve tilted one way?” Murray asked. “Just with the guests that you’ve had.”

“Yeah,” Rogan answered, addressing the show and not his personal views. “Probably more titled toward the idea that, perhaps, the way they’ve done it is barbaric.”

Murray called Rogan’s selection of guests “interesting,” given the size of his platform.

“If you’re gonna interview historians of the conflict or historians in general, why would you get somebody like Ian Carroll?” Murray asked, pointing to Rogan’s interview in March, during which Carroll posited that Jeffrey Epstein was connected to Israel.

“Yeah, but Ian Carroll, I didn’t bring him on for that purpose,” Rogan said. “I brought him on because I wanted to find out, like, how one gets involved in the whole conspiracy theory business?”

“There’s been a tilt in the conversation, in both conversations, in the last couple of years, and it’s largely to do with people who have appointed themselves experts, who are not experts,” Murray replied.

Rogan dismissed any claim that Carroll is a self-appointed expert, and Murray changed the focus of his argument to Darryl Cooper, a critic of former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and target of antisemitism allegations.

“Have you ever absorbed any of his material?” Rogan asked Murray.

“I’ve tried. It’s pretty hard to listen to somebody who says, ‘I don’t know what I’m talking about, but, now, I’m gonna talk,’” Murray replied. Or, ‘I don’t know about this,’ or ‘I’m not capable of debating this historian, but I’m gonna just tell you what I think.’”

Rogan and guest Dave Smith, a comedian, disagreed with Murray’s depiction of Cooper’s motives.

“What Darryl was saying is he doesn’t really like doing debates,” Smith said. “He likes to do long format stuff where he can really explain his position.”

“If you throw a lot of sh*t out” there, there’s some point at which ‘I’m just raising questions’ is not a valid thing,” Murray contested. “You’re not raising questions. You’re not asking questions. You’re telling people something.”

Murray added that plenty of individuals are doing that, including Smith. This led to an exchange between the three men, during which Rogan and Smith attempted to refute the allegation.

“Well, you’re not a geopolitics guy, in general, are you?” Murray asked.

“I don’t even know exactly what you’re asking,” Smith replied.

“I’m saying you’ve decided, being a comedian, you’ve decided now to become somebody who talks about Israel,” Murray said.

Smith said he discusses the conflicts that his government is directly involved in and criticized Murray for making his argument through an appeal to authority.

DOUGLAS MURRAY ON A MATTER OF LIFE VS. DEATH

“Look, I just feel … we should get it out straight away. I feel you’ve opened the door to quite a lot of people who’ve now got a big platform,” Murray said to Rogan,” who have been throwing out counter-historical stuff of a very dangerous kind.”

The entire podcast featured heavy debate between Rogan, Smith, and Murray, with Rogan suggesting Murray took several of his guests out of context.